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note - Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:50:45 GMT

I hate to be sceptical, but revolutionary organisms that turn CO2 and solar energy into burnable stuff are called plants. From what I read here, his big idea is to get organisms, presumably bacteria, to generate methane instead.

That's probably possible, but how is this automatically a big improvement over growing wood and burning it? The critical part here would be to generate more usable energy per acre and per dollar. Which somehow assumes these new organisms will be comparably efficient at producing methane as existing plants are at producing themselves.

by GreatZamfir on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:49:39 AM EDT

From: http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/2/28/19644/7315

note - Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:49:50 GMT

This is what the VC media is reporting. I commented on the same story, from Bloomberg in January, at PFF. It is titled "Supergene Labs Design Microbes to Change Sun to Fuel, Eat Waste ". With a jaundiced eye focused on enacted US legislation (H.R. 2828, H.R. 6) and likely returns of this particular project, following is the comment.

Actually, the story is a sell-sheet for patented processes and devices, gene-splicing and DNA synthesizer, i.e. Venter's library.

The money, honey. Here's my favorite data point in this extraordinarily long snooze item.

An older generation of drug-oriented biotech firms, squeezed by research costs and long product approvals, has suffered persistent losses even with investors' initial enthusiasm. When South San Francisco, California-based Genentech went public in 1980, its shares soared to $88 from $35 in less than an hour, a record at the time.

Through 2006, 30 years after Genentech was formed, U.S. publicly traded biotech companies as a group had never celebrated an annual profit, according to estimates from the Boston-based Ernst & Young Global Biotechnology Center. In 2006, 336 U.S. public biotech companies lost a combined $3.5 billion on revenue of $55.5 billion, falling short of the $59.5 billion in sales at Target Corp. stores that same year.

Scientific Exploits

Human Genome Sciences Inc., a company Venter helped start in 1992 to find commercial uses for discoveries at his nonprofit research lab, lost money in 36 consecutive quarters through Sept. 30. [2007] Showing the hazards of DNA-based investing, Human Genome Sciences hasn't had a drug product reach the market since its debut.

All the same, Venter has gained celebrity for scientific exploits such as decoding human DNA in a virtual tie with the U.S. government's Human Genome Project, which had an eight-year head start.

The article does mention that VC expect growth from foreign sales.

In brief, money goes in and only comes out in the form of license fees for further research. The fact that investors around the world were no less interested in corn and sugar biofuel development means simply that Venter et al. will turn any trick in the book to raise cash. That includes rolling out"global warming fighter Al Gore and Google co-founder Larry Page." Notice neither is paying "stakeholders" dividends.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.


From: http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/2/28/19644/7315

note - Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:49:24 GMT

Source: Famed geneticist creating life form that turns CO2 to fuel

I wanted to throw in my own hypothesis here that Venter's work is probably being funded by the relatively new dotcom and internet fortunes, and not by the sclerotic old money of Wall Street, which is proving itself less and less useful every day.

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. Preposterous 30%
. What if the germs get out and can't be controlled? (HINT - read story at lnk) 30%
. Probably, but there's still too many people 15%
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From: http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/2/28/19644/7315

Hayden note

how does the use of octane as fuel source (which increases octane consumption and CO release from current combustion engines) balance the calculus of micro-organisms consuming CO2?

note - Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:46:13 GMT

Famed geneticist creating life form that turns CO2 to fuel

MONTEREY, California (AFP) — A scientist who mapped his genome and the genetic diversity of the oceans said Thursday he is creating a life form that feeds on climate-ruining carbon dioxide to produce fuel.

Geneticist Craig Venter disclosed his potentially world-changing "fourth-generation fuel" project at an elite Technology, Entertainment and Design conference in Monterey, California.

"We have modest goals of replacing the whole petrochemical industry and becoming a major source of energy," Venter told an audience that included global warming fighter Al Gore and Google co-founder Larry Page.

"We think we will have fourth-generation fuels in about 18 months, with CO2 as the fuel stock."

Simple organisms can be genetically re-engineered to produce vaccines or octane-based fuels as waste, according to Venter.

Biofuel alternatives to oil are third-generation. The next step is life forms that feed on CO2 and give off fuel such as methane gas as waste, according to Venter.

"We have 20 million genes which I call the design components of the future," Venter said. "We are limited here only by our imagination."

His team is using synthetic chromosomes to modify organisms that already exist, not making new life, he said. Organisms already exist that produce octane, but not in amounts needed to be a fuel supply.

"If they could produce things on the scale we need, this would be a methane planet," Venter said. "The scale is what is critical; which is why we need to genetically design them."

The genetics of octane-producing organisms can be tinkered with to increase the amount of CO2 they eat and octane they excrete, according to Venter.

The limiting part of the equation isn't designing an organism, it's the difficulty of extracting high concentrations of CO2 from the air to feed the organisms, the scientist said in answer to a question from Page.

Scientists put "suicide genes" into their living creations so that if they escape the lab, they can be triggered to kill themselves.

Venter said he is also working on organisms that make vaccines for the flu and other illnesses.

"We will see an exponential change in the pace of the sophistication of organisms and what they can do," Venter said.

"We are a ways away from designing people. Our goal is just to make sure they survive long enough to do that."


From: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYXm1UNEI-ViI-p5S6TAaogyDv8Q

AFP: Famed geneticist creating life form that turns CO2 to fuel

AFP: Famed geneticist creating life form that turns CO2 to fuel

From: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYXm1UNEI-ViI-p5S6TAaogyDv8Q



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