the argument, or debate of whether we will do the extra necessary to participate and contribute is argued hardest by those who want it, who are oddly the most skeptical about whether it will happen or not -- if we don't see it however, we cannot create it -- holding the vision, the image, is far more important than we would suspect

I know Marc Pinkus well, and he's been doing cool things for a long time!

very excited about this symposium -- the Symposium of Social Architecture